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Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:30 pm
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really nice trap


Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:17 pm
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Very short but really interesting vi :D deo.
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Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:17 am
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Bxb4 definitely not forced. fxe3 relatively best.

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Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:10 pm
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that's quite true. its the best move, so after fxe3, black can play ...Qh4+! g3...Qe4! winning the rook or the bishop.

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Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:08 pm
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Cabbagio wrote:
that's quite true. its the best move, so after fxe3, black can play ...Qh4+! g3...Qe4! winning the rook or the bishop.


hmmm, white blocks Nf3 and i dont see how black wins anything.
also, why are we giving exclam marks to very ordinary moves?

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Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:30 pm
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White can also interpose with the Queen, forcing Black to trade off the bishops and in the resulting position Black has nothing at all... Of course White can lose that position because of his broken pawn structure, but actually there is nothing to worry about. Anyway a good way for black to equalize on the spot...

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Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:30 pm
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katar wrote:
Cabbagio wrote:
that's quite true. its the best move, so after fxe3, black can play ...Qh4+! g3...Qe4! winning the rook or the bishop.


hmmm, white blocks Nf3 and i dont see how black wins anything.
also, why are we giving exclam marks to very ordinary moves?


how does the knight block the check? white hasnt played nf3 and if he plays it before the check..then Pxd2 and black's up a piece now.

and interposing the queen to trade might be a good idea to. or another solution could just be Bxd2 Nxd2 and Qxe5 and its -+.

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Cabbagio wrote:
how does the knight block the check? white hasnt played nf3 and if he plays it before the check..then Pxd2 and black's up a piece now.

and interposing the queen to trade might be a good idea to. or another solution could just be Bxd2 Nxd2 and Qxe5 and its -+.


i never said blocking a "check". Nf3 means blocking the black queen's attack on white's rook on h1. I will be very clear:
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.e3 Bb4+ 5.Bd2 dxe3 6.fxe3 Qh4+ 7.g3 and now you say "Qe4! winning the rook or the bishop." black does not win either the rook or the bishop. white blocks the queen attack with the knight, 8.Nf3. or white can block with the queen 8.Qf3 which is fine too.

anyway, in this video you say a lot of bad moves are "forced" when they are simply mistakes, not forced at all.


I must also disagree with your assessment "Qxe5 and its -+." Black's advantage is very slight. white has shattered pawns but is ahead in development.
To be clear, i am talking about this line.
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.e3 Bb4+ 5.Bd2 dxe3 6.fxe3 Qh4+ 7.g3 Qe4 8.Qf3
Bxd2+ 9.Nxd2 Qxe5

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Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:35 am
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oh okay sorry about that, didn't mean to make those assumptions. sorry everyone :cry:

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Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:54 pm
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This is the kind of position that computers are good at: My antiquated Fritz thinks that in your line Katar: 8. Nf3 rather than 8. Qf3 for white is OK and possibly even marginally better for white (you can't really trust computers on evaluations that don't lead to a material advantage, but this looks reasonable to me). Personally though I'm sticking with 4. Nf3 followed by g3 which results in a position that is a lot of fun to play often with attacks on both wings - Probably slightly better for white, which is nice, but that's not too important unless you are playing at IM/GM level.

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Cabbagio wrote:
oh okay sorry about that, didn't mean to make those assumptions. sorry everyone :cry:


I think a lot of people play the Albin only for the purpose of setting this trap, since e3 looks good and Bxb4 is so tempting - so your video on it is really useful.

Another queen pawn opening that some black players like to play for traps is the Cambridge Springs:

A particularly nasty trap that bears some resemblance to your Albin trap is:

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Nbd7 5. cxd5 exd5 6. Nxd5 Nxd5 7. Bxd8 Bb4+
8. Qd2 Bxd2+ 9. Kxd2 Kxd8 and black has won a piece.

Another one arises because of the opposition of the queen on a5 with the white bishop on g5 e.g. :

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Nbd7 5. Nf3 c6 6. e3 Qa5 7. Bd3 dxc4 8. Bxc4 Ne4
9. Qc2 Nxg5

woops!

I have to own up to having fallen for this last one, but it was a quick game...

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Cabbagio wrote:
oh okay sorry about that, didn't mean to make those assumptions. sorry everyone :cry:


no big deal, dont sweat it. no need to use the crying smiley. probably my tone was rude, or i didn't use enough smileys to compensate.. 8) 8) 8)

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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:15 pm
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This looks like it was taken from wikipedia. The same places for the exclamations and the "double exclaimation" mentioned in the video, same info, same line.


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thanks roq for other styles of these i really like these kinds of games :)

and thanks katar for your short analysis on these, maybe i can play you one time? some day?

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