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kartha
Knight
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:38 pm Posts: 85
Rating: 1620
Rating Class: Class B (1600-1800)
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 My Game#4 Pls Comment
Hey, I have played a game with a stronger opponent, I was Black. I was Pawn Up and immediately White played a passive move thats what I thought, And I didn't analysed the position well, Result:- Blacks strong position and Pawn Up advantage got collapsed with just one move. Pls comment on Blacks response after 16. Nc6 & 17. Nxd5 and suggest your alternatives. For PGN click here: Hidden Text Below - [Show it] - [Hide it Again] [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "2012.01.31"] [Round "?"] [White "NN"] [Black "kartha"] [Result "1-0"] [WhiteElo "1575"] [BlackElo "1520"] [EventDate "2012.01.31"]
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 {White Moves same piece twice.} 3...Bf5 4.Bd3 {As white already moves same piece twice I have initiated the exchange.} 4...Bxd3 5.Qxd3 e6 6.f4 {White is gaining Space towards King side and also having Control on e5 square, Break the center.} 6...c5 {Black has moved the same piece twice tempo down.} 7.c3 Nc6 8.Nf3 Qb6 9.O-O {White pawn reaches c4 then Blacks Center is at threat. Also Blacks King Safety is to be planned. cxd4 avoids White pawn push towards c4.} 9...cxd4 10.cxd4 Nge7 11.a3 h6 12.b4 {Black Cannot castle Queen side it is too dangerous. Black King in ceter for now seems ok. Why not I push the Pawn towards enemy King.} 12...g5 13.Kh1 g4 {Forching Nf3 to move away and there by d4 pawn is at stake.} 14.Ne1 Nf5 ( 14...Qxd4 15.Qxd4 Nxd4 16.Bb2 Nef5 {this would be fairly good for Black although no special advantage other than Pawn Up.} ) 15.Bb2 Ncxd4 16.Nc3 {Ok White doesn't want to trade, so what might be the plan of White by moving Nc3. Na4 will make Black Queen to move there by Nd4 is at double attack. a6 is an Option to move back the Queen to c7 but that would make the Queen too passive. So why not move back the Knight Nc6} 16...Nc6 17.Nxd5 {Didn't Expected!! If Black don't take exd5 then Nf6 outpost would be very strong with White Queen on Open d-File.} 17...exd5 ( 17...Qd8 18.Nf6+ Ke7 19.Rd1 Qxd3 20.Rxd3 Rd8 ) 18.Qxf5 h5 19.e6 {Black Collapsed!! Rook on h8 is under attack by White Bishop, Also exf7 threat is ther.d5 pawn is hanging; lost position for Black.} 19...Qb5 {Black wants to try last silly option. Qxf1#} 20.Qxf7+ Kd8 21.Qd7# 1-0
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| Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:24 am |
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Pobble
King
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:59 am Posts: 1384
Rating: 2200
Rating Class: National Master
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 Re: My Game#4 Pls Comment
Put your feet up comfy. Have a nice single malt handy. Ready? OK, read on.
Makes no difference to me whether you were playing Mr patzeresque or Magnus Carlsen in this game, as I would say the same - you beat yourself. What happened to the guy playing game three? Did he take the slow boat to China?
It makes no difference who you play or what opening you play, you still must obey the chess basics. Yes, you new what to do with a certain bishop. True, you put her majesty the queen to some good use. Certainly you could enter your knights for the next series of Strictly come dancing. Your Steven Seagal pawns were years away from needing hair dye. With these pieces you did ever so well, but wait, oh yeah, hang on - that's ONLY half your army. The rooks ( funny ashtray looking things in the corners ) did not exist. Kings bishop was yelling " remember me, please remember me ", right through to the end. The King ( poor thing ) must have been in shock from about move twelve, Forever after dreaming of ruby slippers.
9...cxd4 Why? White gets c3 for his knight. What did you get? 11...h6 patzer move. Your plan is titled ' looking for a free lunch '. ( hint, there is always a cost ). 12...g5 win a pawn, win a pawn the little foot solders shout. No no no shouts the king - but nobody hears. ( That crappy white squared bishop locked in by it's own pawns has a wry smile forming ) 14..Qxd4 why not? Am I missing something profound in suggesting the most obvious move on the board? 16..Nc6 Was there a scary tactic? I want to know why the knight ran away please. 18...h5 doh! Listen....I can just hear....reme...m..ber...m..e. Maybe I'm just hearing things - forget it. Even a sixth rank for queen clearance cum knight hugging king move 18...Ne7 could save the day. ( try saying that last sentence after a few of those single malts )
Whatever the reason for the manner of this game - we will look on it as a blip. Had your plan worked and everything went rosy, you will still have played....ok, better stop-kids might be reading this.
( sorry, I have been feeling like utter crap for days and my humour is the only thing keeping me going )
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| Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:18 pm |
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jtixs
Rook
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:14 am Posts: 183 Location: London, UK
Rating: 1500
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 Re: My Game#4 Pls Comment
I understand the reasoning behind cxd4, you want to free your dark squared bishop, however this isnt the way to do it.
In this advanced French. Some useful manoeuvres can be Ne7 to f5. also a move like f6 is useful. you want to keep attacking the white centre.
As for the moves you spoke of. 16.Nc6 I'm not sure of this move. I think you are concerned with Na4 distracting the queen. but on Na4 you can play Qb5. and then Bxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4?? Qxf1#
I prefer the idea of 0-0-0 followed by Bg7/Be7 and f6 to break up the white centre.
Keep posting games it is interesting to read your analysis and see you play.
_________________ It is better to follow out a plan consistently even if it isn't the best one than to play without a plan at all. The worst thing is to wander about aimlessly. - Alexander Kotov
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| Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:14 am |
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kartha
Knight
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:38 pm Posts: 85
Rating: 1620
Rating Class: Class B (1600-1800)
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Pobble: Pls find my comments below ..  |  |  |  | Pobble wrote: 9...cxd4 Why? White gets c3 for his knight. What did you get? I dont want White to push pawn to c4 which would break the Blacks Center.11...h6 patzer move. Your plan is titled ' looking for a free lunch '. ( hint, there is always a cost ). I paid the Cost, I will remember it12...g5 win a pawn, win a pawn the little foot solders shout. No no no shouts the king - but nobody hears. ( That crappy white squared bishop locked in by it's own pawns has a wry smile forming ) Ha ha 14..Qxd4 why not? Am I missing something profound in suggesting the most obvious move on the board? I mentioned it in my analysis, I thought of delaying it by one move 16..Nc6 Was there a scary tactic? I want to know why the knight ran away please. if Na4 Black Queen cannot control d4 square then There is a double attack on d4 for White one with Bishop and another with Queen. Hence I retreated the Knight, However I didn't saw Tactic used by White18...h5 doh! Listen....I can just hear....reme...m..ber...m..e. Maybe I'm just hearing things - forget it. Even a sixth rank for queen clearance cum knight hugging king move 18...Ne7 could save the day. ( try saying that last sentence after a few of those single malts ) One Miss of the opponents Tactic, Game is lost. |  |  |  |  |
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| Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:51 am |
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kartha
Knight
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:38 pm Posts: 85
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Jtixs: Pls find my comments..  |  |  |  | jtixs wrote: I understand the reasoning behind cxd4, you want to free your dark squared bishop, however this isnt the way to do it. Not exactly, I wanted to avoid Whites Pawn push to c4, by cxd4 white has to take it by c pawn.In this advanced French. Some useful manoeuvres can be Ne7 to f5. also a move like f6 is useful. you want to keep attacking the white centre. Ok.. I would be checking these possibilities.As for the moves you spoke of. 16.Nc6 I'm not sure of this move. I think you are concerned with Na4 distracting the queen. but on Na4 you can play Qb5. and then Bxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4?? Qxf1# As there would be a double attack on d4 I have retreated. Also White might be exchanging Queens instead of allowing Qxf1#I prefer the idea of 0-0-0 followed by Bg7/Be7 and f6 to break up the white centre. Yeah but the c file is open which might be dangerous for Black King to be. White Queen and Rooks can easily launch an Attack with Open C file.Keep posting games it is interesting to read your analysis and see you play. Definetly |  |  |  |  |
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| Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:58 am |
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Zibbit
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Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:21 am Posts: 1153 Location: Iceland
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 Re: My Game#4 Pls Comment
0-0-0 isn't far fetched. An attack on the c-file by itself is not dangerous in this structure. ...Kb8 and show me!
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| Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:13 pm |
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Pobble
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Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:59 am Posts: 1384
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Thanks for reminding me - not.
The only time I've ever lost to a woman was the first time I had black in an Advance French. I castled by adding two extra zero's to it. ( the 4th was on my score card ) c-file bah. Got to admit Susan killed me. Worse she made sure it got published. Yuck.
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| Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:02 pm |
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Pobble
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Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:59 am Posts: 1384
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Kartha, your logic about preventing c4 does not convince me. I really think best would just be keep developing and get your king safe that way. White's queen is not in a comfy position should the centre open.
Regarding move 14..Qxd4 it is by far the best move. It is also the only logical move. Think about it. What is the point of being materially up? Up material dictates the plan of heading towards a position where material difference is enough to win - the endgame! 14..Qxd4 wins a pawn and offers the exchange of queens, which is a big problem for white.
You did not lose because you missed a tactic, you were always going to miss a tactic playing like you did. As I always used to say when coaching ' this guy was playing for an accident '.
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| Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:49 pm |
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jtixs
Rook
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:14 am Posts: 183 Location: London, UK
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i've just spent about 2 hours on the advance french looking at the different plans for black, and 0-0-0 does happen quite often. obviously it is situational but I have to agree with zibbit than in this case the c-file isn't a huge weakness.
_________________ It is better to follow out a plan consistently even if it isn't the best one than to play without a plan at all. The worst thing is to wander about aimlessly. - Alexander Kotov
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| Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:26 pm |
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kartha
Knight
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:38 pm Posts: 85
Rating: 1620
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Zibbit: After castling Long and moving King to Kb8. if you see White already started Pawn push towards Blacks Queen side. Once pawn reaches Blacks pawns and if it can open any one file a or b with White Rooks The game can be easily win.
Please clarify, in case my understanding is wrong.
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| Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:40 am |
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kartha
Knight
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:38 pm Posts: 85
Rating: 1620
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Pobble: Pls find my comments.
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| Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:43 am |
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kartha
Knight
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:38 pm Posts: 85
Rating: 1620
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Jtixs: Pls find my comments.
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| Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:51 am |
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