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Kornrade
Knight
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:54 am Posts: 82 Location: Romania
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 {Stale}mate
My newest puzzle (it doesn't have a codename yet -- you may come with ideas):  White to move and mate in 11 How difficult is it?  Is it at least enjoyable?
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Last edited by Kornrade on Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
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| Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:46 am |
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Blackadder
fluffy bunny
Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:22 am Posts: 546
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 Re: Codename for this puzzle
Interesting! -- unfortunatly for me though, I had the complete wrong Idea. Hidden Text Below - [Show it] - [Hide it Again] My initial thoughts were; 1.Nh3 gxh3 2.Nc2 h2 3. Ne3 h1=Q 4. Nd5 Qh2+ (I missed Qg1+ here) 5. Ke3 Qf2+ 6. Ke4 Qe1+ 7. Kf4 Qc1+ (missed Qd2+) 8. Kg4 Qe3 9. Nxe3 10. f2 Bg2 11. f1=Q Bxb7+ 12. Kxb7 Nxf1 (for the easy win) but my lovely computer pointed out that I had missed two drawing chances, 4.Qg1+ and 7. Qd2+.... even more interesting is that Crafty (on my dual core 3.1 ghz PC) failed to see the solution! working together all I found was: 1. Nh3 gxh3 2. a4 h2 3. a5 h1=Q 4. a6 Qh2+ 5. Ng2 Qh1 6. Ne3 Qh2+ 7. Kxf3 Qd2 8. Nf5 Qd1+ 9. Be2 Qd5+ 10. Kg4 Qe4+ 11. Kg5 Qd5 12. Bf3 Qg8+ 13. Kh5 Qf7+ 14. Kg4 bxa6 15. bxa6 Qc4+ 16. Kh3 Qxc7 17. dxc7 Kxc7 18. a7 b5 19. a8=Q Kb6 20. Nd6 Kc5 21. Qd5+ Kb6 22. Qxb5+ Kc7 23. Qc5+ Kd8 24. Nb7+ Ke8 25. Bh5# * Line as PGN: Hidden Text Below - [Show it] - [Hide it Again]
[Event "rated untimed match"] [Site "Free Internet Chess Server"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "White player"] [Black "Black player"] [Result "*"] [WhiteElo "0"] [BlackElo "0"] [ECO "A00"] [TimeControl "0"] [SetUp "1"] [FEN "2k5/1pPp4/1p1P4/1P6/6pP/5pP1/P4K2/4NBN1 w - - 0 1"]
1. Nh3 gxh3 2. a4 h2 3. a5 h1=Q 4. a6 Qh2+ 5. Ng2 Qh1 6. Ne3 Qh2+ 7. Kxf3 Qd2 8. Nf5 Qd1+ 9. Be2 Qd5+ 10. Kg4 Qe4+ 11. Kg5 Qd5 12. Bf3 Qg8+ 13. Kh5 Qf7+ 14. Kg4 bxa6 15. bxa6 Qc4+ 16. Kh3 Qxc7 17. dxc7 Kxc7 18. a7 b5 19. a8=Q Kb6 20. Nd6 Kc5 21. Qd5+ Kb6 22. Qxb5+ Kc7 23. Qc5+ Kd8 24. Nb7+ Ke8 25. Bh5# *
soo....Whats the solution?
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| Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:47 pm |
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srn347
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Joined: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:14 pm Posts: 255
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 Re: Codename for this puzzle
There is none. It takes 4 moves to get to a winning position(advance the pawn 4 times for checkmate, no other move would even come close) but you need to give your opponent 4 moves first, and they can't promote until their last move. It would require the f pawn moves once, the g pawn advances twice, and either one advances one more time. It takes one move to give your opponent enough moves to promote one pawn, but two moves(one for each pawn) are one more than just enough. The puzzle is impossible(i.e. the only answer is "there is no answer").
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| Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:42 pm |
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Kornrade
Knight
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:54 am Posts: 82 Location: Romania
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 Re: Codename for this puzzle
Blackadder: nice try, but different idea than what I had in mind when composing the puzzle. [And btw, Fritz11 only sees mate in 12 or 13 after 30min of infinite anlysis, Chessmaster 10th finds it in SolveForMate] Hint: Hidden Text Below - [Show it] - [Hide it Again] The most annoying thing that can happen is a black queen roaming freely; restrain her  I'll post the solution later this week. Good luck!
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| Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:41 am |
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Blackadder
fluffy bunny
Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:22 am Posts: 546
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 Re: Codename for this puzzle
you allways know its a pretty good puzzle if computers fail to solve it. (unless the puzzle requires sub-optimal moves)
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| Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:22 am |
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Kornrade
Knight
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:54 am Posts: 82 Location: Romania
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 Re: Codename for this puzzle
With this puzzle, I had a hard time getting other ideas (than the intended solution) to NOT work. (In most cases, your idea lead to shorter mates.) As for my questions: I like to have names attached to the puzzles (for easy identification). A puzzle is good as long as no cook is found by either humans or computers... this I have tested with some engines, but still have a tiny shadow of doubt. A puzzle is tough/difficult if it is not solved easily. It can be very tough for computers and (very) easy for humans at the same time. [e.g. Checkover 1952 puzzle, depicted below] A puzzle can be enjoyable or not, independent from its difficulty. [tough puzzles can be very unfriendly, easy puzzles can be very entertaining (e.g. V. Röpke's 1942 puzzle)] Checkover 1952, white to move and draw  Solution: Hidden Text Below - [Show it] - [Hide it Again] 1.Bg4!! e1=Q (1... Kxg4 2.f3+ K~ 3.Kf2 with easy draw) 2.h3 and now the black king is trapped, and the black queen can neither deliver mate by itself, nor force the white king away from its f-pawn, nor force the bishop to move
Röpke, 1942, white to move and mate in 6.  Allow me to not post the solution 
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| Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:00 am |
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Kornrade
Knight
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:54 am Posts: 82 Location: Romania
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 Re: Codename for this puzzle
Solution: Hidden Text Below - [Show it] - [Hide it Again] 1.Bh3 gxh3 2.a4 h2 3.a5 3... h1=Q 4.Nxf3 Qxg1 5.Nxg1 {on any queen move, white captures} 3... h1=N+ 4.Kxf3 Nxg3 5.Kxg3 {on any knight move, white captures} 3... hxg1=Q+ 4.Kxg1 f2+ 5.Kxf2 ==== these moves could be placed everywhere in the solution ==== 5... bxa5 6.g4 a4 7.g5 a3 8.g6 a2 9.g7 b6 10.g8=Q+ Kb7 11.Qb1#
1.Nh3 fails to: 1... gxh3 2.a4 h2 3.a5 h1=Q 4.Nxf3 bxa5 5.g4 a4 6.g5 a3 7.g6 a2 8.g7 Qxf1+ 9.Kxf1 a1=Q+ 10.~ Qxg7
These questions are still open: How would you name this puzzle? How difficult does it seem? How enjoyable does it seem? 
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| Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:20 am |
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srn347
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Joined: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:14 pm Posts: 255
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 Re: Codename for this puzzle
You forgot to consider 3.bxa5 which is actually a win for black(or at least a draw).
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| Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:16 am |
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Kornrade
Knight
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:54 am Posts: 82 Location: Romania
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 Re: Codename for this puzzle
I didn't forget. As you may have read, moves 3black through 5white can be placed almost everywhere in the solution, (e.g. from 7black to 9white), and all other moves are shifted (e.g. 5black through 9white become 3black through 7white). Try it over the board. 
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| Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:27 am |
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srn347
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 Re: Codename for this puzzle
You mentioned that they can appear anywhere, but you didn't prove that or include any examples involving them.
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| Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:03 am |
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Kornrade
Knight
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 Re: Codename for this puzzle
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| Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:03 am |
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Phobetor
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Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:16 am Posts: 1108
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Very nice, Kornrade! I missed the fact that the g-pawn can run without disturbing the "fortress" around the queen in the corner. And the fact that 1. Nh3 would allow (after ...a3-a2 g6-g7) Qxf1+ Kxf1 a1=Q makes sure there's only one solution; the one with the two knights.
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gooeyjim
King Goo
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 Re: Codename for this puzzle
Excellent!
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| Fri May 22, 2009 6:47 pm |
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Kornrade
Knight
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:54 am Posts: 82 Location: Romania
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 Re: Codename for this puzzle
This puzzle, together with Queen Dance and Harem have recently been published in Matplus, in the chapter of original problems (#1229,#1230,#1233  ). The study Constrictor will soon be sent to the same publication, after finishing the validation of all sidelines.
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| Sat May 23, 2009 4:34 am |
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Kornrade
Knight
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:54 am Posts: 82 Location: Romania
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 Re: {Stale}mate
Compare my puzzle:  with #8 by Friedrich Zlak, The Problemist 2008:  Which one would you prefer and why? 
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