| Author |
Message |
|
DandyDanD
King
Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:57 am Posts: 324
Rating: 1900U
Rating Class: Class A (1800-2000)
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
Perhaps the "chaos theory" discussion wasn't addressed to me, but I'd like to chime in just a little bit. Seldom as a chess teacher have I offered advice in this manner. I inform my students that a move is good because it has various qualities and the resulting position has various qualities. While this may seem plausible, there are equally convincing arguments against such duplicitous behavior. I agree that professional chess is an extremely competitive sport; however, I believe your (valid) conclusion is unsound for various reasons. Even were it sound, I don't believe it would be a useful theory; it's not especially useful to distrust all experts simply because they are experts. This is a theory, and it appears to be based in your assumptions about human behavior. Conclusion: There are no experts in conspiracy theory. P1) There is an expert in conspiracy theory. P2) The expert in conspiracy theory tells us that experts cannot be trusted. Anyway, that's my two cents. - Dan
_________________ The Game of Chess is not merely an idle amusement; Several very valuable qualities of the mind, useful in the course of human life, are to be acquired and strengthened by it." - Benjamin Franklin
|
| Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:48 pm |
|
 |
|
momus
Pawn
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:50 am Posts: 22
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
Oh, yes
Last edited by momus on Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.
|
| Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:38 pm |
|
 |
|
momus
Pawn
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:50 am Posts: 22
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
absolutely
Last edited by momus on Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
|
| Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:55 pm |
|
 |
|
momus
Pawn
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:50 am Posts: 22
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
but it's over now
Last edited by momus on Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.
|
| Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:10 pm |
|
 |
|
Tony
Pawn
Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:27 pm Posts: 16
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
momus I am new to this site, and I was just browsing when I came across the comments you have made about the Berlin video. I have had a look at the video and I think that it is indeed a little odd that Mr Monokroussos should use such a game in such a manner. I wonder if that game should have been used to point out how easy it is to miss something in a position that has possibly been many times before in games.
I think you have a point momus.
|
| Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:59 pm |
|
 |
|
momus
Pawn
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:50 am Posts: 22
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
gone
|
| Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:50 am |
|
 |
|
Tony
Pawn
Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:27 pm Posts: 16
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
momus You have taken down your posts?
|
| Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:19 am |
|
 |
|
momus
Pawn
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:50 am Posts: 22
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
Tony Because there are people here who talk about how good their position is without understanding that good positions require good moves, these people fail in analysis and believe that it doesn’t matter. They would argue that without error there can be no brilliancy (Lasker) but fail to understand the circumstance of the statement. It has been said that chess can lead to madness, we may all be teetering upon the precipice of our own insanity curves, and I don’t want to be the one who pushes someone over the edge. Momus
|
| Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:20 pm |
|
 |
|
Tony
Pawn
Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:27 pm Posts: 16
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
momus, Yes, I see your point. Tony
|
| Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:21 am |
|
 |
|
peter91
Rook
Joined: Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:03 am Posts: 182 Location: The Netherlands
Rating: 2240
Rating Class: National Master
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
I was wondering if it was possible after (I don't know the number of the move) 1. e6 f5 2. Kf3 to play g5, instead of your fxe4. After for example 3. Nd2 Rxf4+ 4. Rxf4 gxf4 5. Kxf4 Kd6 you win a second pawn.
|
| Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:13 am |
|
 |
|
Initiative
Premium Member
Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:01 pm Posts: 191
Rating Class: FIDE Master
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
Hi Peter91:
Yes, 39...g5 is possible and a good move, and after 40.Nd2 we can make your idea even stronger by playing 40...Kd6 immediately.
_________________ Dennis Monokroussos
http://www.thechessmind.net
|
| Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:34 pm |
|
 |
|
Tony
Pawn
Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:27 pm Posts: 16
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
Hello
My chess engine agrees, in fact it thinks all these moves from, and including 39;...g5 are the best continuations.
Tony
|
| Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:35 pm |
|
 |
|
Tony
Pawn
Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:27 pm Posts: 16
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
Dennis I am unable to find the Berlin game anywhere? Could you please spell your opponents name for me? Also what year was this game played and in what tournament?
It would be nice to have the moves, this would make it easier for me to follow the game and the alternative moves. Tony
|
| Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:24 am |
|
 |
|
Initiative
Premium Member
Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:01 pm Posts: 191
Rating Class: FIDE Master
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
Tony:
You have found the game somewhere - here. You won't find it in the databases, however, because it, like most games played in American Swiss system events, isn't recorded on DGT boards nor manually entered.
_________________ Dennis Monokroussos
http://www.thechessmind.net
|
| Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:27 am |
|
 |
|
Tony
Pawn
Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:27 pm Posts: 16
|
 Re: Master Lesson - The Exciting Berlin [36:57]
Dennis,
That's a pity, and are you not allowed to name the tournament, the year it was held and spell the name of your opponent for me?
Tony
|
| Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:19 am |
|
|