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endgame analysis: side comparison 

who is to win in this position
white 40%  40%  [ 2 ]
black 20%  20%  [ 1 ]
whomever to move 40%  40%  [ 2 ]
whomever not to move 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
neither(draw) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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endgame analysis: side comparison 
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Post endgame analysis: side comparison
Here is the position of white's pieces:
N a8
N b6
N a4
N c4
K f7(I meant f8)
And here is the position of black's pieces:
Q c6
K e6

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Last edited by srn347 on Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.



Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:23 pm
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Post Re: endgame analysis: side comparison
srn347, please use the Diagram Generator to post diagrams. The link is at the top of the screen. Use the generator to set up the position you want to show, and then copy-paste the FEN-string from the box. Then go to the forum, and post:

[fen*]<fen string>[/fen*]

to post the diagram.

In your example the FEN-string would be N7/5K2/1Nq1k3/8/N1N5/8/8/8 and the diagram would be:

[fen*]N7/5K2/1Nq1k3/8/N1N5/8/8/8[/fen*] so:
Chess board: N7/5K2/1Nq1k3/8/N1N5/8/8/8


Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:29 pm
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Post Re: endgame analysis: side comparison
The board shows that your position is quite illegal as well


Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:30 pm
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Post Re: endgame analysis: side comparison
Thanks, and here is the position.Image

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Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:41 pm
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Post Re: endgame analysis: side comparison
There's one improbable position with four knights against a queen here where white has a win in 85 moves. I guess this one should thus also win for white, maybe even in less moves.


Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:47 pm
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Post Re: endgame analysis: side comparison
So basically you think it is either a win for white or draw by 50 move rule.

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Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:38 pm
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Post Re: endgame analysis: side comparison
Probably, yes. Unless the white knights are actually so badly misplaced that black can mate white first. But I doubt it.

Where did you get this position anyway? Is it from one of your games? :roll:


Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:05 pm
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Post Re: endgame analysis: side comparison
No(not from one of my games), I don't think anyone would underpromote to a knight twice in one game and still have two knights from the beginning. I saw it on a certain web site, but I won't say what because I fear you or someone else would look it up and ruin it. You are close though. You said something about poorly placed knights. How well are those knights placed? The position you showed at the top(where the kings are adjacent) would be an interesting atomic chess endgame though.

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Post Re: endgame analysis: side comparison
I think Phobetor was joking about it being from one of your games :)

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Post Re: endgame analysis: side comparison
srn347 wrote:
No(not from one of my games), I don't think anyone would underpromote to a knight twice in one game and still have two knights from the beginning. I saw it on a certain web site, but I won't say what because I fear you or someone else would look it up and ruin it. You are close though. You said something about poorly placed knights. How well are those knights placed? The position you showed at the top(where the kings are adjacent) would be an interesting atomic chess endgame though.


It looks like black can quickly force the white king to the h8 corner with checkmate, and since white's knights are badly placed, it could be a pure win for black with either side to move. But I'm no NNNN vs. Q endgame expert, so you'd be better off asking the right 7-piece tablebase (if it already existed).


Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:21 pm
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Post Re: endgame analysis: side comparison
Asking a 7 piece tablebase? I already know the answer, and hopefully whomever(if anyone) gets this answer won't use a tablebase to figure it out. Anyway, think about the general idea about how each side intends to win(i.e. what should their strategy be).

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Post Re: endgame analysis: side comparison
Brilliant


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