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Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:58 am
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Post Re: curtains - L345: W vs Orange [GM] [31:54]
Did you just pick that hand at random? I don't play much poker anymore, but I never really flat called with hands like that preflop. Maybe there are spots where it's correct, but I guess I was never good enough to find them. As played, however, I kind of like the flop shove. UTG+1 is committed there with a JJ-QQ often enough I guess.


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Post Re: curtains - L345: W vs Orange [GM] [31:54]
holy crap, i play the scandinavian sometimes, and that was scary. :(


Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:18 am
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Post Re: curtains - L345: W vs Orange [GM] [31:54]
holy crap, that was heartbreaking. this video is a cavalcade of emotional turmoil.


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Post Re: curtains - L345: W vs Orange [GM] [31:54]
ok i promised to make an account and comment, so you officially can make more videos :) totally did not see him trapping your rooks like that i thought you had him crushed! owell better luck next time. thanks for the new videos!! i can sleep peacefully now. i will close with this, i wish you guys could have beat the cards so we could be playing you in the superbowl on sunday. steelers eagles would have been 10x better!!! but well get revenge for you.


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Post Re: curtains - L345: W vs Orange [GM] [31:54]
Whats up Curtains.

The preflop flat isn't as bad as you make it out to be. But I agree that 3betting is better.
Also Betgo isn't really a regular as much as he is an awful troll nowadays (even though hes right in this thread!)

Anyways next time you get the urge to talk about poker on a video you should check to see if any of my threads are on the first page in "hsmtt" so you can tear me to shreds :P


Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:43 am
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Post Re: curtains - L345: W vs Orange [GM] [31:54]
ASPoker8 wrote:
Whats up Curtains.

The preflop flat isn't as bad as you make it out to be. But I agree that 3betting is better.
Also Betgo isn't really a regular as much as he is an awful troll nowadays (even though hes right in this thread!)

Anyways next time you get the urge to talk about poker on a video you should check to see if any of my threads are on the first page in "hsmtt" so you can tear me to shreds :P



I think flatting is definitely much worse than raising. It's much more likely for some random dude to stack off with a worse hand if you reraise preflop than to lose all his chips after the flop when you just call, and you also open up multiple callers (which is actually very likely since the guy raised so small preflop).

Honestly I just think it's wrong. Sure it's not going to kill you, because it never feels like anything can be too bad when you have KK, but I find it very hard to make a good case for calling.


Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:42 am
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Post Re: curtains - L345: W vs Orange [GM] [31:54]
I know what it means to be short stacked, but what does it mean that you are short stacking as a strategy? Excuse my ignorance.
Also, have you had runs of chess games where you just couldn't seem to win?
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Post Re: curtains - L345: W vs Orange [GM] [31:54]
i really enjoyed this game. i checked a database and your game was the oldest by several years!!
pastordavid wrote:
Also, have you had runs of chess games where you just couldn't seem to win?
-D

Pastor, check out some of the old videos, e.g.,
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Post Re: curtains - L345: W vs Orange [GM] [31:54]
Thanks for the game, i loved the opening and i'm sure alot of people are going to be sacking that bishop after this video.


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Post Re: curtains - L345: W vs Orange [GM] [31:54]
Thanx for the post..! I got to see a masterpiece of an opening, but unfortunately you did not capitalize. You started the game not focused talking about poker and got into trouble. You admitted then it was time to concentrate. With three minutes remaining, you showed brilliant play and was up! Then, exactly what you said in the game before with kunifax; you got over confident, self destructed, and lost the game! You basically beat yourself. I feel that your Elo rating would be about 100 points higher or more if you could please Greg, take your games more seriously. I honestly want whats best for you, cause you have helped us in so many ways. We all understand that you are a chessstud and could kick all of all butts; however, staying more focused during your games will not only be more beneficial for us to see such brilliant masterpieces unfold... BUT, you can feel proud in the fact that your Elo rating would sore to new heights! WE ALL LOVE YOU, GREG... Keep up the helpful videos!


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Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:19 am
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Post Re: curtains - L345: W vs Orange [GM] [31:54]
You realize this isn't my Elo rating but in fact my ICC blitz rating? :)


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Post Re: curtains - L345: W vs Orange [GM] [31:54]
speaking of which, when are you going to take the tournament world by storm?


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Post Re: curtains - L345: W vs Orange [GM] [31:54]
this video was awesome. Mostly for the fact that it has an opening novelty in it that you prepared years ago and completely surprised a GM with.


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Post Re: curtains - L345: W vs Orange [GM] [31:54]
This whole line looks convincing for white. I have some stuff on it in "Play 1...Nc6" By C.Wisniewski.

1.e4 Nc6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 4.Nf3 Bg4 5.Be2 0-0-0 which transposes to Greg's game.

12.0-0!? is said to be most dangerous and there doesn't seem to be anything convincing for black after it, he is probably just struggling for a draw.

Wisniewski gives one game with 12...Rxd4 as played in this game and he was just in trouble there.
13.Qa4! Qxe2 14.Qxa7 Qxb2 15.Na3 Rd3 16.Qa8+ Kd7 and now he says white should have played 17.Nb5! when it seems black is in trouble.

He prefers 12...Qxd4 it seems and after 13.Qa4 wants to play 13...e6 which is supposed to be an improvement on G.Shahade-M.Fierro Baquero, Paget Parish 2001 where black was slaughtered. Black seems he might survive but white despite being pawn down has all the play with a strong bishop and good possibilites for a successful attack on the Q-side.

Good game Greg, thanks for sharing!

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