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Post Re: katar - 1.e4 e5 for Black; Two Knights Defense [34:49]
In general the analysis in the video should be OK...

HOWEVER, FYI the assessments re: the following position are very superficial and possibly misleading:
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Now Ke2 Qd7, e6!! [only move] fxe6 is balanced, but i prefer black , with e6-e5 and Rf8 coming.

Also Kf1 bxc6 is chaotic and messy and perhaps also balanced, but i cannot say that ...bxc6 is any better than ...Qh4. Adolf Anderssen played bxc6 in ~1860 and won a characteristically nice game against "Pineda".

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Related video on Ulvestad (variation of Two Knights Defense) here: viewtopic.php?t=5953

OK that is all.

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Post Re: katar - 1.e4 e5 for Black; Two Knights Defense [34:49]
Hi katar,

Thanks for another great video in this series. I'm really enjoying it and learning a lot.

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Post Re: katar - 1.e4 e5 for Black; Two Knights Defense [34:49]
Nice video! The two knights defense was the reason I switched from 3.Bc4 to the Ruy Lopez. I found that after 4.Ng5 black was the one having all the fun, even though it wins a pawn, and if 4.d3 or any other move black gets easy equality, as you demonstrated in this video. Some of these lines after 4.d4 look like a lot of fun (for black) and I am tempted to take up 1...e5 because of them. Keep up the good work.


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Post Re: katar - 1.e4 e5 for Black; Two Knights Defense [34:49]
Thanks again Katar- I'll update the Chess Position Trainer Repertoire I created to incorporate these variations.

Anyone who wishes to train in this line can find the zipped file at: http://www.nationalchessacademy.org/Two ... vestad.zip

If you don't have Chess Position Trainer, you can download a free copy at http://www.chesspositiontrainer.com/

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Post Re: katar - 1.e4 e5 for Black; Two Knights Defense [34:49]
(BUMP)

Thank you for the comments, and i did feel compelled to BUMP this after a most welcome avalanche of Curtains vids buried this in obscurity.

My goal is a complete, sound, classical, FIGHTING DEFENSE to 1.e4 in the style of Paul Morphy and Siegbert Tarrasch. This is looking like a 7-part series.

1. Intro/Overview and Scotch Game: Mieses variation
viewtopic.php?t=5921

2. 2 Knights: Ulvestad variation
viewtopic.php?t=5953

3. 2 Knights: Giuoco Pianissimo (by transposition), Modern, Classical
THIS THREAD

upcoming:

4. gambits: Danish/Goring, Ponziani, Falkbeer countergambit
5. Four Knights: Spanish, Scotch, Glek
6. Vienna game/gambit, Bishop's opening
7. Spanish: Berlin defense

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Post Re: katar - 1.e4 e5 for Black; Two Knights Defense [34:49]
This will be great Katar! My opening repertoire was already heading towards these lines anyway but with you having (and planning more) produced these terrific vids, you cemented the deal. Eventually, I will codify the whole complex in a Chess Position Trainer file. I'm behind at the moment but should catch up soon.

Thanks again!

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Post Re: katar - 1.e4 e5 for Black; Two Knights Defense [34:49]
Nice!

Re: 7 Part Series

Looking forward to all of them, especially # 5 and 6.


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Post Re: katar - 1.e4 e5 for Black; Two Knights Defense [34:49]
Nice Katar! you play the exact types of systems I really enjoy, sort of mobile center semi-open games with lots of bishop action. you should be my coach!

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Post Re: katar - 1.e4 e5 for Black; Two Knights Defense [34:49]
Very nice! I'm assuming the Kings Gambit is covered under #6 since the Vienna Game often transposes...?

Great stuff! Keep up the good work!

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Post Re: katar - 1.e4 e5 for Black; Two Knights Defense [34:49]
kamus wrote:
This will be great Katar! My opening repertoire was already heading towards these lines anyway but with you having (and planning more) produced these terrific vids, you cemented the deal. Eventually, I will codify the whole complex in a Chess Position Trainer file. I'm behind at the moment but should catch up soon.

Thanks again!


exactly. I play e5 so I've already learned a lot from these and have started playing the ulvestad, for example. I probably will not end up playing the berlin though(okay, maybe a little). I'm going to be trying out a lot of different things against the ruy lopez as it is my pet opening as white so I'd like to be able to learn from both sides as much as possible.


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Post Re: katar - 1.e4 e5 for Black; Two Knights Defense [34:49]
Wildman wrote:
Very nice! I'm assuming the Kings Gambit is covered under #6 since the Vienna Game often transposes...?

Nah, Kings Gambit will be in #4 as the Falkbeer Countergambit. I still have to figure out if white can force a transposition to Kings Gambit Declined with 2.Bc4 or 2.Nc3 move order. I suspect white probably can, haven't investigated that one yet...

JWhis wrote:
Nice Katar! you play the exact types of systems I really enjoy, sort of mobile center semi-open games with lots of bishop action. you should be my coach!


Thanks, although i'd characterize it as OPEN, not semi-open... just simple straightforward classical Tarrasch-approved chess ala Morphy...

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Post Re: katar - 1.e4 e5 for Black; Two Knights Defense [34:49]
Here's my transcription efforts for the third video in the series. Let me know if you find any errors.


[Event "KATAR 1... e5 VIDEO #3: TWO KNIGHTS DEFENSE with 4. d3"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.11.11"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d3 Bc5
(Three rules:)
(Rule #1: Don't castle before White. Knorr-Chigoran 1900: 5. O-O d6 6. Bg5 h6 7. Bh4 g5 8. Bg3 h5 9. Nxg5 h4 10. Nxf7 hxg3 11. Nxd8 Bg5 12. Qd2 Nd4 13. Nc3 (necessary was 13. h3 Ne2+ 14. Qxe2 (if 14. Kh1 Rxh3+ 15. gxh3 Bf3#) Bxe2) Nf3+ 14. gxf3 Bxf3 with mate soon)
(Rule #2: Play ...a6 after ...d6 to preserve the bishop and stop b2-b4-b5)
(Rule #3: Watch out for the d4 square -- all Black's pieces directly or indirectly influence it)
(Pieces go: Ng8-f6, Nb8-c6 and maybe e7-g6, Bf8-c5 and maybe a7, Bc8-g4 or Bc8-e6 if pawn on h3)
(if 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bg5 h6 7. Bxf6 gxf6 (7... Qxf6 is also playable) 8. Nh4 a5 and attack down the g-file)
(if 5. O-O d6 6. h3 (if 6. Bg5 h6 7. Bh4 g5 transposing to Knorr-Chigoran) a6 7. c3 Be6 and Black has a perfectly playable position)
(if 5. O-O d6 6. c3 (best move) a6 7. Bb3 Bg4 (or 7... O-O) 8. Nbd2 Qd7 9. h3 Bh5 and Black can castle either side, though kingside is safer)



[Event "KATAR 1... e5 VIDEO #3: TWO KNIGHTS DEFENSE with 4. d3"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Radjabov, Teimor"]
[Black "Aronian, Levon"]
[Result "*"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d3 Bc5 5. O-O d6 6. c3 a6 7. Bb3 O-O 8. h3 Ba7 9. Re1 Re8 10. Nbd2 Be6 11. Bc2 h6 12. Nf1 d5 13. exd5 Qxd5 14. Qe2 Rad8 15. Ng3 Bc5 (or 15... Nd7 planning Nc5) 16. Nh4 Bf8 17. a4 Na5 (and drawn in 59 moves)



[Event "KATAR 1... e5 VIDEO #3: SCOTCH GAMBIT or TWO KNIGHTS DEFENSE with 4. d4 and 5. e5"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.11.11"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. e5
(alternate move order: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. e5)
5... d5 6. Bb5 Ne4 7. Nxd4 Bc5
(most popular is 7... Bd7 leading to strategic, blocked-up, boring game)
8. O-O
(if 8. Nxc6 Bxf2+ 9. Kf1 (if 9. Ke2 Qd7 threatening 10... Qg4+) bxc6 (the popular 9... Qh4 leads to a draw with best play) 10. Bxc6+ Kf8 and if 11. Bxa8 Ba6+ or if 11. Qd3 Bf5 threatening 12... Ng3+)
(if 8. Be3 O-O 9. Nxc6 (if 9. f4 Nxd4 10. Bxd4 Qh4+ and if 9. Bxc6 bxc6 10. O-O Qe8 (if 10. Nxc6 Bxe3 11. Nxd8 Bxf2+) bxc6 10. Bxc5 Nxc5 11. Bxc6 Rb8 (but 11... Ba6 is good in blitz) 12. Qxd5 Qe7 13. O-O Rxb2 with c2 hanging and e5 falls after ...Rd8 and Black has good play)
8... O-O
(or 8... Bd7)
9. Bxc6
(if 9. Nxd6 bxc6 10. Bxc6 Ba6 11. Bxa8 Bxf1 12. Qxd5 (if 12. Bxd5 Bc4 or if 12. Qxd5 Bc4) Bxf1 13. Qxe4 Bb5 14. Nc3 Bxc6 15. Qxc6 (with Black planning ...Bd4, ...Qe7 and ... Rb8 with equal play))
9... bxc6 10. Be3
(if 10. Nxc6 Qd7 11. Nd4 Qe7 12. Bf4 f6 13. Be3 (if 13. exf6 Qxf6 14. Be3 Ba6 or if 13. Nb3 Bxf2+ 14. Rxf2 Nxf2 15. Kxf2 fxe5) Bb7 (if 13... fxe5 14. Nc6 Qd6 15. Bxc5 Qxc5 16. Qxd5+ Qxd5 17. Ne7+ Kf7 13. Nxd5 and White is better) and Black is better)
10... Qe8
(queen protects c6, pressures e5, and can come to g6 after an f6 push)
(note: don't be afraid to play ...Bxd4 if necessary since the White knight is so strong on that square)
(Black knight on e4 is also strong: if 11. f3 Nd6)


[Event "KATAR 1... e5 VIDEO #3: TWO KNIGHTS DEFENSE with 4. Nc3 or THE ITALIAN FOUR KNIGHTS"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.11.11"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Nxe5
(AKA the "fork trick" after 5. Nxe4 d5)
(if 5. Bxf7+ Kxf7 6. Nxe4 d5 and Black king escapes to g8 and Black has the two bishops and better central control)
5. Nxe4 d5
(IM Kaufman gives 6. Bd3 dxe4 7. Bxe4 Bd6 8. d4 (if 8. O-O O-O 9. Re1 Nd4=) exd4 9. Bxc6+ bxc6 10. Qxd4 O-O= in "The Chess Advantage in Black and White" -- Wildman)



[Event "KATAR 1... e5 VIDEO #3: SCOTCH GAMBIT or TWO KNIGHTS DEFENSE with 4. d4 and without 5. e5"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.11.11"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. O-O Nxe4
(the Classical Two Knights or anti-Max Lange Attack)
(5... Bc5 leads to Max Lange attack and lots of theory)
6. Re1
(if 6. Bd3 d5)
(if 6. Nxd4 d5)
(if 6. Bd5 Nf6)
(if 6. Nc3 Nxc3 7. bxc6 d5 8. Bb5 Be7 and Black remains a pawn up and is fine)
6... d5 7. Bxd5
(if 7. Nc3 (the Canal Variation) Be6)
7... Qxd5 8. Nc3
(with pins on both the d-file and the e-file)
8... Qa5
(the Moeller Variation)
9. Nxe4
(Reti-Euwe 1920 went: 9. Nxd4 Nxd4 10. Qxd4 f5 11. Bg5 Qc5 12. Qd8+ Kf7 13. Nxe4 fxe4 14. Rad1 Bd6 15. Qxh8 Qxg5 16. f4 Qh4 17. Rxe4 Bxh3 18. Qxa8 Bc5+ 19. Kh1 Bxg2+ 20. Kxg2 Qg4+ and mate in two)
(if 9. Rxe4+ Be6 10. Nxd4 O-O-O)
9... Be6
(if 10. Nxd4 O-O-O)
(katar-Expert went: 10. Bg5 h6 11. Bh4 Bb4 12. Re2 g5 with Black a pawn up with an attack on White's king)
(if 10. Bd2 Bb4 11. Nxd4 Nxd4 12. c3 O-O-O (scores better than 12... O-O in database) 13. cxb4 Qf5)
10. Neg5 O-O-O 11. Nxe6 fxe6 12. Rxe6 Be7
(planning 13... Bf6 securing the strong point on d4)
(or 12... Bd6 is fine)
13. Qe2 Bf6
(if 13. Ne5 Nxe5 14. Rxe7 Rd7 15. Rxd7 Nxd7 16. Bf4 Re8 17. h3 (Tartakower-Tarrasch went: 17... Qf5 and Black lost a complicated endgame) 17... Qb4 and Black is equal)
(plan: Qd5)
(plan: double rooks on d-file)
(plan: double rooks on f-file)
(plan: kingside pawn storm)
(Black has more central control and is slightly better)

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Post Re: katar - 1.e4 e5 for Black; Two Knights Defense [34:49]
Great work, wildman (and katar, of course) -this will save me a bit of time later. One difficulty in transcribing the video is that the moves aren't often mentioned. If they were named aloud, it would facilitate easier entry and save a lot of pause while looking at the screen. It would also allow the viewer to listen without sight of the board which is something I find useful to do from time to time. Of course, these were made to be videos so naturally I understand that saying the moves aloud is somewhat superfluous. Anyway, it's on my wish list for everyone's videos. :)

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Post Re: katar - 1.e4 e5 for Black; Two Knights Defense [34:49]
Wildman, a few typos in your transcriptions, notably 2. ... NF6 instead of 2. ... Nc6, if you edit the post hten cut and pasting would be easier :D

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