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Post Re: katar - B vs 2000 Italian Game [32:41]
Tough game but good video. It seems like I'm always losing won games- a lot of times, I just seem to lose the thread of a game and that moment of realization when you go from having the advantage to scrambling for a draw is really tough to deal with so I can relate to your emotions in this game. It was interesting tactically too. It's nice to see the openings you taught in your e4-e5 series in practice and seeing how this position played out was instructive. Thanks for sharing. :)

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Post Re: katar - B vs 2000 Italian Game [32:41]
Thank you Kamus. I'm not exactly sure whether i can recommend long-castles though. :)

I was hard on myself for this loss. But then again chess is so very simple and easy with the engine switched on.

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Post Re: katar - B vs 2000 Italian Game [32:41]
That was clearly very painful for you. Thanks for sharing.

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Post Re: katar - B vs 2000 Italian Game [32:41]
Ouch! That was painful! I know it happens to everyone. If I were to grill you on similar positions I know you'd get them right. As more of a kibitzer these days, all I can say is that when I stand up and watch a game I know everything that is going on, when I sit down I cut off the circulation to my brain!

Still, very nice game with a lot of nice attacking motifs.

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Post Re: katar - B vs 2000 Italian Game [32:41]
Fun and interesting game, sorry that the result wasn't better. Out of curiosity, how many variations were you looking at in the critical positions, and how much time was it taking? Do you think with more time you would have found the wins (i.e. by looking deeper at certain positions or looking at more lines)?

I hate games like this. Really bothers me for a long time after I throw away a win. Hope that you don't wait too long to play another game and have more happy memories of your last game!


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Post Re: katar - B vs 2000 Italian Game [32:41]
PGN and game notes here FYI viewtopic.php?t=9061&p=65761#p65761
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Fun and interesting game, sorry that the result wasn't better. Out of curiosity, how many variations were you looking at in the critical positions, and how much time was it taking? Do you think with more time you would have found the wins (i.e. by looking deeper at certain positions or looking at more lines)?

I hate games like this. Really bothers me for a long time after I throw away a win. Hope that you don't wait too long to play another game and have more happy memories of your last game!

Thx for watching and commenting. I'm not really taking the loss too hard anymore. It's my 3rd loss in my last 24 rated games during 2010-2011, so i understand i will blunder/lose from time to time.

I spent over half my time on 3 moves: 17...Nxe5 (15 min), 18...Rhe8 (11 min), and 20...Nxg2 (19 min).

I spent 19 minutes on 20...Nxg2. I calculated all sorts of stuff after 20...Bh3, 20...Qxd5, 20...Re2. I was literally thinking that virtually everything must be winning. So 20...Nxg2 looked simplest and seemed to require the least precision since his king is naked. I thought 21.Kxg2 Qf5 22.d4 Bh3+ 23.Kh1 and either now Qxf2 or Qxd5 must win. (They both do win, of course.)

Then i spent only 1 minute on 21...Qf5. The mate after 21...Bf3+ is very simple once you consider that move, but i did not even consider it (probably prejudiced that i need to keep the bishop to attack the light squares).

By the time he played 25.Qg3, i had very little time and was just seeing ghosts with Qxg7, Qg8+, Qxf7+ and d5-d6 ideas.

I can calculate or perform better than i did in this game. It is actually my worst performance in a while. Usually i don't completely collapse mentally like i did. It's been quite some time since i threw away a completely overwhelming position like that.

Also i am coming to the club from work... harder to play in optimum shape and makes for a long day. Anyway, i'm really over it-- just spent a nice weekend at the county fair with my girlfriend so life is good.

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Post Re: katar - B vs 2000 Italian Game [32:41]
Watched - liked -don't play much Italian - 0-0-0 felt off but still interesting - ..Bf3 variation was cool

Whole game felt a bit ul for you cause he didn't really outplay you, more like you lost.

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Post Re: katar - B vs 2000 Italian Game [32:41]
Thanks Zibbit. I agree 0-0-0 is a bit crazy but should be playable and interesting.

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Post Re: katar - B vs 2000 Italian Game [32:41]
Out of interest, what are the positional drawbacks of 0-0-0? I have an inclination for queenside castling myself and probably overplay it.

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Post Re: katar - B vs 2000 Italian Game [32:41]
Sarciness wrote:
Out of interest, what are the positional drawbacks of 0-0-0? I have an inclination for queenside castling myself and probably overplay it.


I personally feel like white has a more ready made attack, move the bishop, b4-a4-b5 using the hook on ...a6 to open up the king. I don't have big experience on neither side of the position so it's just my feeling.

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Post Re: katar - B vs 2000 Italian Game [32:41]
Sarciness wrote:
Out of interest, what are the positional drawbacks of 0-0-0? I have an inclination for queenside castling myself and probably overplay it.

Mainly, as Zibbit said the a6-pawn is a "hook" that means the white pawns will arrive faster. However, White has put himself into an uncomfortable pin due to Bg4. This annoying pin makes long-castles more playable IMO. Computer engines think it is OK (around +.30) , so it seems it is largely a matter of taste in this particular position.

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Post Re: katar - B vs 2000 Italian Game [32:41]
I liked 0-0-0- you were saying "I'm coming for you!"

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Post Re: katar - B vs 2000 Italian Game [32:41]
I thought it was a move. Sure, it was double-edged, but it seems that opposite side castling usually is. It certainly made for an interesting game.

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Post Re: katar - B vs 2000 Italian Game [32:41]
FYI about long-castles:
Turns out in my repertoire video viewtopic.php?t=6046 i mentioned the position from the game after Qd7 at around 8:00 with the comment: "Black's gonna castle next move, on either side. Probably kingside is safer."

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