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Post Another Self Analysis Game, Please comment
Hey,

Thanks Guys for helping me out in sharing your valuble suggestion. Keep doing it.

Heres a game which I played as Black; Where in I was a pawn up in the middle game and got over confident and exchanged my Rook with whites Knight without proper calculation and went into a loosing position. However White gave me a chance in the end and I was able to convert that to victory.



Things I learned in this game are
1. Avoid moving pieces without plan or purpose.
2. Avoid exchange of Major piece with Minor piece without considerable advantage.
3. Double check your calculation before exchanging major piece with Minor piece.

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In the Game White has lost some tempo on dark Bishop (12. Be3) however I couldn't capitalize on this tempo advantage, need to learn that.


Please share your thoughts on the same, Also feel free to comment on the game as well.

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Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:34 am
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Where did you play this, what was the time control?

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Post Re: Another Self Analysis Game, Please comment
Whatever the time limit, your intuition should prevent you from the following errors even in a one minute game. The other moves seem reasonable choices, though that does not make them best. ( the eternal problem we all face )

4...a6 T - time . A pawn centre allows your pieces greater activity, while limiting your opponents. In the opening you should develop pieces.
5...Bxd3 T Gives white a free tempo.
9...cxd4 Who does this favour and why? Can anybody really know for sure? Keep the tension!
13....Ne7 T Apart from seeing ghosts, you have other pieces sleeping in their beds.
20...Nh4 T See above. More specific you play without your rooks.
21...Rxc4 Material is a form of activity - we like material!
22...Kf8 T Why not develop and make an attack?
23...Nf5 See above
24...dxc4 See above


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Zibbit: I have joined a Chess club recently and it was a club match. This match was played without any Time control.


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Pobble: Thanks for sharing your ideas.

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4...a6 T - time . A pawn centre allows your pieces greater activity, while limiting your opponents. In the opening you should develop pieces.
I expected a6 is reasonably good move, as per your comments are you trying to say to first develop instead of a6 here.

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5...Bxd3 T Gives white a free tempo.
9...cxd4 Who does this favour and why? Can anybody really know for sure? Keep the tension!20...Nh4 T See above. More specific you play without your rooks.
21...Rxc4 Material is a form of activity - we like material!

I agree with you. you were using (T) what does it mean I couldn't grasp whether it is T time or Tempo..

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22...Kf8 T Why not develop and make an attack?
I couldn't come up with a plan for an attack as Whites Rooks are centralized and Black pieces are hanging, Queen, Rook & Knight. Can you suggest a plan in this position to Black.


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Post Re: Another Self Analysis Game, Please comment
kartha wrote:
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22...Kf8 T Why not develop and make an attack?
I couldn't come up with a plan for an attack as Whites Rooks are centralized and Black pieces are hanging, Queen, Rook & Knight. Can you suggest a plan in this position to Black.


I guess one idea is Rb8, and meeting g3 with f5 and f4, trying to crack open white's kingside?

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FlintEastwood: Yeah I agree, but Black King is pinned by Rook and immediately I cannot go with that plan you suggested as Black has to loose 2 pawns. Hence I moved King, I thought of castling but that would never allow me to attack on g file and its like inviting White to attack on my g file.


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Post Re: Another Self Analysis Game, Please comment
What is likely to happen if you allow Bb5 ? White will end up having to give up bishop for knight, that's all. So just develop.

Tempo is just a unit of time. To clarify - Your move with Bd3 + Bf5 played, you make Bxd3 = your move with Bd3 + Bf5 gone, but with white having the added free developing move Qd3. Result - you gave away free tempo.

FlintEastwood is correct- please note the g-pawn is not only attacked but pinned. How do you stand before making Kf8, are you lost? Can or should you be able to ' just ' defend a lost position? Or did you think you were winning and had all the time in the world? My point is that as in life, situations dictate actions.


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Once again here is my annotation of your game. I decided to change 'NAG annotation values' (! !? ?! ?? etc) according to your chess-play strength. If I think you are learning something or just play good move I will put "!" or even "!!", if I think you OR your opponent is doing poor moves or pointless moves I will give "?!"
By this you can somehow judge, maybe, your improvement by counting how many ?! or ! you have comparing to previous games. I think this method kinda will make you want to play even better (little competition with yourself hehe)

OK here is my annotated .pgn --->

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I challenge you and encourage to do more advanced analysis of your games. How? --->
  • Try to analyse your game by telling us what was your strategy (long-term plan(s)). In order to do that you have to have strategy in game.
  • Explain how do you achieve your plan goals as game progress.
  • Try to insert a little bit variations especially when you say "OK this was bad / blunder etc" then provide some small variations (3-5 moves) how would you play differently game if you had the chance." But still focus on explaining your thought processes!
If you do this your analysis will MUCH more enjoyable (yes, fun) and will benefit you even MORE! But it will take a bit longer.

Good luck, I hope this helped.


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Pobble: Thanks for Clarifying.. I will remember Tempo from now on.
If our development is going for a toss with a move and opponents development is gaining then we lost on Tempo.


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Gigenieks: Thanks for Annotating My game in Detail Man.. Appreciate that..!!

I am going through your Annotation, Would respond to you once it is done.


Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:18 am
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Post Re: Another Self Analysis Game, Please comment
Small test. is 23..Nf5 a real attacking move? If yes, apart from touching the rook, explain. If no, please explain. This question only concerns the move Nf5 and not any alternative.


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Pobble wrote:
Small test. is 23..Nf5 a real attacking move? If yes, apart from touching the rook, explain. If no, please explain. This question only concerns the move Nf5 and not any alternative.


My brief thoughts on this move (hidden below so as not to ruin the test).


EDIT: Eh, I thought the code tag would hide the text. I can't figure out how to do that actually! Anywhere, the thoughts are here...just don't read them before you analysed it yourself!

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After white's played his rook to the third rank, an attack on the king looks - for me - unlikely to succede (21...Rg8 looked like the last hope for mate). White is just too well defended. In this scenario, I'd ask myself: what advantage do I have in the position? The answer is clear - extra pawns, and a strong centre. I think black needs to just chuck his pawns down the middle board as soon as possible, and that will mean the f pawns as well. However, with a knight on f5, the f pawn can no longer move. Not only that, but white is no longer tied down to the possible defense of g2 and is free to move his rook.

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Thanks FlintEastwood for your answer. code- I dunno either - code :lol: You do though judge Nf5 by alternative! I like your logic, you show clear thinking. Actually, as usual I'm looking for a simple answer. I'm ashamed to say your giving my question too much credit in its possible profoundness.


Attacking move = increases your own activity, whilst lessoning your opponents.
Active move = merely increases your own activity.

Sorry about any confusion I have needlessly given.


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Pobble wrote:
Attacking move = increases your own activity, whilst lessoning your opponents.
Active move = merely increases your own activity.


Ah I see. I'd say Nf5 is neither active nor attacking. I'd say the most active plan is Rg8, staking a claim on the open file before white.

Edit: Deleted my commentary because I wrote it without looking at the position. Some of it made sense...but not enough of it to warrent anyone's time :D

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